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ovehaithabu
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#14
12/6/2022
I have another corrupted save game now. I saved the game while the new version was set to Prepare. Next time I tried to load it from the menu it crashes right before I am in the game, I can get past the menu and start a new game or load another game but the one I saved while the game was active in the Plitch console no longer loads, just crashed the game.
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#14
12/6/2022
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ovehaithabu
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I have another corrupted save game now. I saved the game while the new version was set to Prepare. Next time I tried to load it from the menu it crashes right before I am in the game, I can get past the menu and start a new game or load another game but the one I saved while the game was active in the Plitch console no longer loads, just crashed the game.
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#15
12/8/2022
let me try to separate the points a bit for better understanding 😃

1st: PLITCH is freezing after very short time
Does it always happens with latest version or only in case you click somewhere else in PLITCH while the "Prepare" is active? I tried a lot to reproduce it, but the only case to freeze PLITCH is by clicking another game or version while the "Prepare" is active. Sure this is a bug and we'll fix it asap, but it's a technical reason and not a cheat reason in this case, so it will need some time by our developers.

2nd: Corrupted savegames
Your initial corrupted savegame was crashing when open the player detailscreen only. This crash happens when open with active "Prepare" from latest version. Does it also crashs with same savegame when open with old 1.15 version in PLITCH? If not, I would need this savegame (you can send it with our ticketsystem) to check which part of the "Prepare" is causing the crash. If it crashs with both versions, it is based on already corrupted data within the savegame which is maybe caused by bad values (e.g. modified birthdate of the player or the contract enddate) to invalid values (e.g. contract already ended or birthdate in future or maybe even too young).
Your second corrupted savegame is crashing already on load. Did you used the new 1.15 version or the old 1.15 version or both entries in PLITCH? It also sounds like a big problem of invalid data somewhere.
Did you maybe have done other things at your computer when playing "We Are Football"? E.g. chat, browse in internet or something else? I know from other games (e.g. FIFA Manager) that I accidentally activated cheats by entering numbers from "Num block" or writing something with brackets in chats. In bad cases this could cause invalid data. But this can be prevented by disable the "Prepare" when do something else or change the hotkeys to something more complex.

3rd: Unable to disable the "Prepare"
That's a very strange thing. When I use the latest 1.15 entry, I can activate and deactivate the "Prepare" without any problems. Same situation for the old 1.15 entry. But after I activated the "Prepare" in the old entry and deactivated it and then switch to the new 1.15 entry and activate it, I really cannot deactivate the "Prepare" anymore. I've no idea right now why does this happens, but we've to investigate it. However, normally this case does not happens, because there is normally no need to switch between different entries when playing. 😕
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#15
12/8/2022
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let me try to separate the points a bit for better understanding 😃

1st: PLITCH is freezing after very short time
Does it always happens with latest version or only in case you click somewhere else in PLITCH while the "Prepare" is active? I tried a lot to reproduce it, but the only case to freeze PLITCH is by clicking another game or version while the "Prepare" is active. Sure this is a bug and we'll fix it asap, but it's a technical reason and not a cheat reason in this case, so it will need some time by our developers.

2nd: Corrupted savegames
Your initial corrupted savegame was crashing when open the player detailscreen only. This crash happens when open with active "Prepare" from latest version. Does it also crashs with same savegame when open with old 1.15 version in PLITCH? If not, I would need this savegame (you can send it with our ticketsystem) to check which part of the "Prepare" is causing the crash. If it crashs with both versions, it is based on already corrupted data within the savegame which is maybe caused by bad values (e.g. modified birthdate of the player or the contract enddate) to invalid values (e.g. contract already ended or birthdate in future or maybe even too young).
Your second corrupted savegame is crashing already on load. Did you used the new 1.15 version or the old 1.15 version or both entries in PLITCH? It also sounds like a big problem of invalid data somewhere.
Did you maybe have done other things at your computer when playing "We Are Football"? E.g. chat, browse in internet or something else? I know from other games (e.g. FIFA Manager) that I accidentally activated cheats by entering numbers from "Num block" or writing something with brackets in chats. In bad cases this could cause invalid data. But this can be prevented by disable the "Prepare" when do something else or change the hotkeys to something more complex.

3rd: Unable to disable the "Prepare"
That's a very strange thing. When I use the latest 1.15 entry, I can activate and deactivate the "Prepare" without any problems. Same situation for the old 1.15 entry. But after I activated the "Prepare" in the old entry and deactivated it and then switch to the new 1.15 entry and activate it, I really cannot deactivate the "Prepare" anymore. I've no idea right now why does this happens, but we've to investigate it. However, normally this case does not happens, because there is normally no need to switch between different entries when playing. 😕
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ovehaithabu
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#16
12/9/2022
Thanks for coming back. Hope the following helps :
1st: PLITCH is freezing after very short time
I did not select other games or version, if I start the game via Plitch, click prepare it freezes after a while. If I don't click prepare it does not seem to freeze. Not sure if it helps, it's not 100% frozen, the task is responding in task manager. If I then exit Plitch via te x button and exit the game, start a new game and start Plitch it is still on Prepare. Only if I close Plitch via the task manager (it's still there even if I exit by clicking on the x) I can select a different version again.

2nd: Corrupted savegames
Yes, the first save game crashed when right-clicking on any player, regardless whether my it was a player of my own squad or one on the transfer market. The in-game menu appeared however and I could do other tasks in the game. The 2nd save game crashed upon launch so I could load it but it crashed before the in-game menu and I could not do anything. Both save games crash even if I reboot the computer and load the game without Plitch. I can't remember if any other application was open on the computer. 

3rd: Unable to disable the "Prepare"
The old version works fine, I can start and stop as I wish. For the new version. If I reboot the PC, start Steam, start Plitch, start the game via Plitch (new version), load a save game and the click Prepare I already can not stop Prepare, that is for me even without clicking on a different version. 
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#16
12/9/2022
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ovehaithabu
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Thanks for coming back. Hope the following helps :
1st: PLITCH is freezing after very short time
I did not select other games or version, if I start the game via Plitch, click prepare it freezes after a while. If I don't click prepare it does not seem to freeze. Not sure if it helps, it's not 100% frozen, the task is responding in task manager. If I then exit Plitch via te x button and exit the game, start a new game and start Plitch it is still on Prepare. Only if I close Plitch via the task manager (it's still there even if I exit by clicking on the x) I can select a different version again.

2nd: Corrupted savegames
Yes, the first save game crashed when right-clicking on any player, regardless whether my it was a player of my own squad or one on the transfer market. The in-game menu appeared however and I could do other tasks in the game. The 2nd save game crashed upon launch so I could load it but it crashed before the in-game menu and I could not do anything. Both save games crash even if I reboot the computer and load the game without Plitch. I can't remember if any other application was open on the computer. 

3rd: Unable to disable the "Prepare"
The old version works fine, I can start and stop as I wish. For the new version. If I reboot the PC, start Steam, start Plitch, start the game via Plitch (new version), load a save game and the click Prepare I already can not stop Prepare, that is for me even without clicking on a different version. 
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#17
12/13/2022
hi, I further investigated your situation and have some updates now 

1st: we've found one PC in the company with a similar problem... the "Prepare" can be activated and the cheats can be used (without freezing after a while), but as soon as we try to disable the "Prepare" on this computer, it won't be disabled in any case and then the PLITCH client is frozen and won't activate any other cheat anymore... is it maybe the same case for you or is the client also freezing when not trying to disable the "Prepare"?
however as aditional note: the "X" minimizes the client to the systray by default (right corner of your taskbar with the clock)... you can configure in the settings, that it closes on "X" and not minimizes to systray 😉

2nd: thanks, but is the first savegame always crashing (even without active "Prepare") when you open any player or only when the "Prepare" is active?

3rd: as written in point 1 now, we've found a system to reproduce the problem and will try to fix it asap, but due to Christmas holidays soon, we probably cannot solve it this year anymore 😕
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#17
12/13/2022
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hi, I further investigated your situation and have some updates now 

1st: we've found one PC in the company with a similar problem... the "Prepare" can be activated and the cheats can be used (without freezing after a while), but as soon as we try to disable the "Prepare" on this computer, it won't be disabled in any case and then the PLITCH client is frozen and won't activate any other cheat anymore... is it maybe the same case for you or is the client also freezing when not trying to disable the "Prepare"?
however as aditional note: the "X" minimizes the client to the systray by default (right corner of your taskbar with the clock)... you can configure in the settings, that it closes on "X" and not minimizes to systray 😉

2nd: thanks, but is the first savegame always crashing (even without active "Prepare") when you open any player or only when the "Prepare" is active?

3rd: as written in point 1 now, we've found a system to reproduce the problem and will try to fix it asap, but due to Christmas holidays soon, we probably cannot solve it this year anymore 😕
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ovehaithabu
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#18
12/15/2022
Hello, thanks for looking into the matter.
1st: I'll check later today if the console behaves properly if I do NOT disable the Prepare. It's actually well possible as it works for a while, it's not that it does not work at all. Also, I do tend to deactivate the cheats as I would not use them constantly and if active there is always a risk I accidentally hit a cheat hat I do not want and I get confused why all of a sudden I have EUR 50m extra on my account or so.
I assume it's software related, not hardware related which is good news for me. It might be related to the new technology/method used fr writing cheat tables. Does that computer in your company also work fine with the old 1.5 version that was written wit the old technology/method (i.e. there you can start/stop Prepare as you wish) ?
2nd: Confirmed, even if I reboot the computer, start the game via Steam and without opening Plitch at all that save game crashes. So it crashes independently from Plitch. I can't however remember if Plitch was active when I saved it initially. It's possible that this is not caused by Plitch.
3rd: no rush, my Plitch subscription has expired anyway and I would not need it for other games so  don't loose out now. Since 1.6 of WAF is out now and you mentioned earlier that the cheats will now need a rework anyway as a lot has changed I'll leave it for now. I was mainly looking for changing nationalities and player skills in the game. I understand that I can change the nationality now anyway even without a subscription and for player skills there is no cheat. I thought the changing the talent would open the locked skills but the talent cheat would only change the displayed value for talent, not give me the actual benefit of a higher talented player because setting it to five in the console does not give me the full selection. If  I get a 5 start talent without cheating (i.e. via normal gameplay) it does give me the full selection.

Thanks again for all your help and the investigation, I'll keep looking into this forum and I would re-subscribe once there is a new version added. When you write the 1.6 for Steam, are you able to write it in the old technology/method like the original 1.5 (that worked fine for me) ?
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#18
12/15/2022
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ovehaithabu
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Hello, thanks for looking into the matter.
1st: I'll check later today if the console behaves properly if I do NOT disable the Prepare. It's actually well possible as it works for a while, it's not that it does not work at all. Also, I do tend to deactivate the cheats as I would not use them constantly and if active there is always a risk I accidentally hit a cheat hat I do not want and I get confused why all of a sudden I have EUR 50m extra on my account or so.
I assume it's software related, not hardware related which is good news for me. It might be related to the new technology/method used fr writing cheat tables. Does that computer in your company also work fine with the old 1.5 version that was written wit the old technology/method (i.e. there you can start/stop Prepare as you wish) ?
2nd: Confirmed, even if I reboot the computer, start the game via Steam and without opening Plitch at all that save game crashes. So it crashes independently from Plitch. I can't however remember if Plitch was active when I saved it initially. It's possible that this is not caused by Plitch.
3rd: no rush, my Plitch subscription has expired anyway and I would not need it for other games so  don't loose out now. Since 1.6 of WAF is out now and you mentioned earlier that the cheats will now need a rework anyway as a lot has changed I'll leave it for now. I was mainly looking for changing nationalities and player skills in the game. I understand that I can change the nationality now anyway even without a subscription and for player skills there is no cheat. I thought the changing the talent would open the locked skills but the talent cheat would only change the displayed value for talent, not give me the actual benefit of a higher talented player because setting it to five in the console does not give me the full selection. If  I get a 5 start talent without cheating (i.e. via normal gameplay) it does give me the full selection.

Thanks again for all your help and the investigation, I'll keep looking into this forum and I would re-subscribe once there is a new version added. When you write the 1.6 for Steam, are you able to write it in the old technology/method like the original 1.5 (that worked fine for me) ?
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#19
12/22/2022
hi, quick update before Christmas:

1st: yes, on our testsystem we've no problems with the old 1.15 entry but with the new one, so it seems to be exactly the same situation as for you

2nd: ok, difficult to say anything here now, but seems like it doesn't matter anymore

3rd: the update 1.16 only changed some minor things in code, so it was not the big expected update (maybe the announcement for 1.16 earlier this year was the 2.00 DLC and the 1.16 now was only a small fix for 1.15)... we don't plan to update the old 1.15 also to an alternative 1.16, because this will cause more confusion probably for other users and it seems like all other users don't run into the same problem... so I think it's better to fix the problem for you soon instead of creating additional version all the time in future
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#19
12/22/2022
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hi, quick update before Christmas:

1st: yes, on our testsystem we've no problems with the old 1.15 entry but with the new one, so it seems to be exactly the same situation as for you

2nd: ok, difficult to say anything here now, but seems like it doesn't matter anymore

3rd: the update 1.16 only changed some minor things in code, so it was not the big expected update (maybe the announcement for 1.16 earlier this year was the 2.00 DLC and the 1.16 now was only a small fix for 1.15)... we don't plan to update the old 1.15 also to an alternative 1.16, because this will cause more confusion probably for other users and it seems like all other users don't run into the same problem... so I think it's better to fix the problem for you soon instead of creating additional version all the time in future
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ovehaithabu
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#20
2/18/2023
Hi, were you ever able to fix this on the testsystem whee you were able to replicate the problem ? I plan to play the game again and possibly I'll re-subscribe to Plitch if it helps but if it freezes it's no fun.

Also, did you ever have time to review the talent-cheat ? When I subscribed to Plitch the talent cheat changed the display to as many stars I wanted but not the actual function, i.e. regardless of how many stars a talent has - the amount of skills to choose from never changed. Alternatively, if that would not work, would you be able to add a cheat to add/remove skills from a player.

What I am looking for is to have ++ skills for key funtions in my team, for example one player with ++ throw-ins, one player with ++ free kicks, one player with ++ penalty kicks etc. If I can use the talent cheat to unlock the matrix I likely find a player who can be developed that way. Or - if there is a cheat to simply add/remove the skills I want it would also work for me. Sometimes a player comes with a + skill that is not even needed like a + free kicks for a goalkeeper or a + crosses for the center forward, and that might block a ++ skill I wanted.

Or, another alternative if you could change the skills in the matrix so I could move the ones I want into the center where I can get the player to learn them.
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#20
2/18/2023
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ovehaithabu
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Hi, were you ever able to fix this on the testsystem whee you were able to replicate the problem ? I plan to play the game again and possibly I'll re-subscribe to Plitch if it helps but if it freezes it's no fun.

Also, did you ever have time to review the talent-cheat ? When I subscribed to Plitch the talent cheat changed the display to as many stars I wanted but not the actual function, i.e. regardless of how many stars a talent has - the amount of skills to choose from never changed. Alternatively, if that would not work, would you be able to add a cheat to add/remove skills from a player.

What I am looking for is to have ++ skills for key funtions in my team, for example one player with ++ throw-ins, one player with ++ free kicks, one player with ++ penalty kicks etc. If I can use the talent cheat to unlock the matrix I likely find a player who can be developed that way. Or - if there is a cheat to simply add/remove the skills I want it would also work for me. Sometimes a player comes with a + skill that is not even needed like a + free kicks for a goalkeeper or a + crosses for the center forward, and that might block a ++ skill I wanted.

Or, another alternative if you could change the skills in the matrix so I could move the ones I want into the center where I can get the player to learn them.
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